Controversy

**FredFredrickson** · July 7th, 2008, 10:11 AM

You know what I hate? People who don't like controversy.

You know, when a debate happens on a forum, and people just stop thinking altogether and start screaming "LALALALALANO NO NO WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??"

I recently joined a MAC vs PC thread on a random internet forum (which I will not name here). Most of the people there were Mac fanboys, and I argued in favor of the PC (naturally).

After arguing point-counter point, they all just stopped responding in kind, and resorted to condescending remarks instead of arguing on the merits of their "superior" brand.

Finally, I received a warning from a moderator that I'd be banned. So of course I left. Pointless really.

But this reminds me something that these people tend to forget: You should embrace different viewpoints. Muscling out alternate views is a great way to kill debate and discussion, and just generally kill your userbase.

On my own site, in my forum, just about nobody agrees with me during debates, but I embrace that, and encourage it. Things wouldn't get interesting if everybody agreed with me.

H · July 7th, 2008, 10:34 AM

I think the fact that people realize their in a controversy of Mac vs PC is enough for them to realize they it's gotten pathetic and it needs to stop. Controversy is fine, but it should at least be on a topic worth having a controversy about (eg: like how lacrosse is soooo much better than baseball (or vice versa (hah! (hey look, multiple layers of parenthesis! (this is totally awesome that I can just make more levels of it)))), which I guess isn't really a contoversy, it's a fact).

**FyreFox** · July 7th, 2008, 10:36 AM

I agree.

I like debates... I actually learn a lot from them. So while I started on one side... I may actually land on the other...and if not, just appreciate it more. And then sometimes Im just completely wrong and feel like

afterwords. lol.

[edit] H - Baseball is sooooo better. (I don't have any Lacrosse teams to go watch) [/edit]

**puckchaser** · July 7th, 2008, 11:09 AM

Dude.... I'm posting this from my MacBookPro... so dont bring your stinkin windows tripe here... Steve Jobs not only invented the wheel, sliced bread and the Mac, he packaged them exquisitely.

(figured it was a good time to start some controversy)

**FredFredrickson** · July 7th, 2008, 11:33 AM

I don't think there's a way to win the mac vs pc debate. My intention was to clear the myths about PCs that the mac fanboys were spreading.

**puckchaser** · July 7th, 2008, 11:34 AM

No, there is no winning..

**Mark** · July 7th, 2008, 11:34 AM

The argument is officially over now: Segway CTO becoming VP of Apple product design -- yes, really - Engadget

So long pretty apple products

**puckchaser** · July 7th, 2008, 11:44 AM

You suppose Jobs said something like this to him " So do you want to design toy scooters for the rest of your life?"

**FyreFox** · July 7th, 2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Yeah, we're surprised to hear it too. Nevertheless, word coming out of the SegwayChat forums has Doug Field, Chief Technology Officer at Segway, heading to Apple as VP of product design. What makes the move oh so interesting is the history between Jobs and Field. See, back in the early days, when Segway was still Ginger and Dean Kamen was harvesting pre-launch industry reactions, Kamen brought the people mover to Steve Jobs. El Jobso's reaction to Field's design is the stuff of Harvard Business school legend:

"I think it sucks," said Jobs, "Its shape is not innovative, it's not elegant, and it doesn't feel anthropomorphic."

How times do change.

Wow. Maybe that's why he got hired... he made Jobs eat his own words. Kind of...

July 7th, 2008, 10:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
FredFredrickson Senior Member Super #1 Joined in Nov 2003 Lives in New Hampshire 1,227 posts Gave thanks: 3 Thanked 25 times	Controversy You know what I hate? People who don't like controversy. You know, when a debate happens on a forum, and people just stop thinking altogether and start screaming "LALALALALANO NO NO WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??" I recently joined a MAC vs PC thread on a random internet forum (which I will not name here). Most of the people there were Mac fanboys, and I argued in favor of the PC (naturally). After arguing point-counter point, they all just stopped responding in kind, and resorted to condescending remarks instead of arguing on the merits of their "superior" brand. Finally, I received a warning from a moderator that I'd be banned. So of course I left. Pointless really. But this reminds me something that these people tend to forget: You should embrace different viewpoints. Muscling out alternate views is a great way to kill debate and discussion, and just generally kill your userbase. On my own site, in my forum, just about nobody agrees with me during debates, but I embrace that, and encourage it. Things wouldn't get interesting if everybody agreed with me. __________________ Surmunity Special-Free Photos To Season Your Site/Blog, Code: fallatsurpass

July 7th, 2008, 10:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
FyreFox Undercover Genius Super #1 Joined in May 2003 Lives in Tampa, FL Hosted on Vanilla 2,997 posts Gave thanks: 27 Thanked 37 times	I agree. I like debates... I actually learn a lot from them. So while I started on one side... I may actually land on the other...and if not, just appreciate it more. And then sometimes Im just completely wrong and feel like afterwords. lol. [edit] H - Baseball is sooooo better. (I don't have any Lacrosse teams to go watch) [/edit] __________________ When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us. - Helen Keller

July 7th, 2008, 11:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
puckchaser He shoots.. He scores! Super #1 Joined in Feb 2007 Lives in A room with no windows. Hosted on SH110 1,442 posts Gave thanks: 46 Thanked 140 times	Dude.... I'm posting this from my MacBookPro... so dont bring your stinkin windows tripe here... Steve Jobs not only invented the wheel, sliced bread and the Mac, he packaged them exquisitely. (figured it was a good time to start some controversy) __________________ SH110

July 7th, 2008, 11:33 AM	#5 (permalink)
FredFredrickson Senior Member Super #1 Joined in Nov 2003 Lives in New Hampshire 1,227 posts Gave thanks: 3 Thanked 25 times	I don't think there's a way to win the mac vs pc debate. My intention was to clear the myths about PCs that the mac fanboys were spreading. __________________ Surmunity Special-Free Photos To Season Your Site/Blog, Code: fallatsurpass

July 7th, 2008, 11:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
puckchaser He shoots.. He scores! Super #1 Joined in Feb 2007 Lives in A room with no windows. Hosted on SH110 1,442 posts Gave thanks: 46 Thanked 140 times	No, there is no winning.. __________________ SH110

July 7th, 2008, 10:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
H after g, before i Resident. Joined in Jul 2004 Lives in N,BC,CA 8,058 posts Gave thanks: 48 Thanked 129 times	I think the fact that people realize their in a controversy of Mac vs PC is enough for them to realize they it's gotten pathetic and it needs to stop. Controversy is fine, but it should at least be on a topic worth having a controversy about (eg: like how lacrosse is soooo much better than baseball (or vice versa (hah! (hey look, multiple layers of parenthesis! (this is totally awesome that I can just make more levels of it)))), which I guess isn't really a contoversy, it's a fact).

July 7th, 2008, 11:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mark Surpass Developer On a golden path... Joined in Jan 2004 Lives in Florida Hosted on decc.surpasshosting.com 493 posts Gave thanks: 17 Thanked 76 times	The argument is officially over now: Segway CTO becoming VP of Apple product design -- yes, really - Engadget So long pretty apple products __________________ Mark Surpass Hosting Developer sɹnoʎ uɐɥʇ ɹǝʇʇǝq sı bıs ʎɯ

July 7th, 2008, 11:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
puckchaser He shoots.. He scores! Super #1 Joined in Feb 2007 Lives in A room with no windows. Hosted on SH110 1,442 posts Gave thanks: 46 Thanked 140 times	You suppose Jobs said something like this to him " So do you want to design toy scooters for the rest of your life?" __________________ SH110

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