""Thou Shall Not Steal""

Bugs · January 16th, 2006, 6:37 AM

Being new to HTML / Css I am in the process of reading tutorials in an effort to create a web page for a friend of mine. In case anyone else is also interested in learning <a href="http://www.htmldog.com">HTMLdog</a> and <a href="http://www.w3schools.com">w3schools</a> is just fine . . .

Question - as part of the learning process I sometimes right click "View Source" to see how another site is organized but my church site:

""http://w w w.holytrinityptc.org/" (see for self)

does not allow 'rightclick' at all and a box pops instead saying:

"Thou Shall Not Steal"!!!

I notice also it loads from left to right - does anybody know how they do that??

p.s. my 'formatting' tools above my editor do not work at all (the way I'm used to anyway)???

**David** · January 16th, 2006, 8:10 AM

They probably just turned off right click with a java script. You can still view the source, if you go to View and Source.

And that midi music should be removed, or be able to be turned off.

**john** · January 16th, 2006, 8:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugs

Question - as part of the learning process I sometimes right click "View Source" to see how another site is organized but my church site:

""http://w w w.holytrinityptc.org/" (see for self)

does not allow 'rightclick' at all and a box pops instead saying:

"Thou Shall Not Steal"!!!

They're using javascript to prevent you from right clicking on the page.

Here's an excerpt of the site:

<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<title>Holy Trinity Catholic Church    </title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">

As you can see, it's Frontpage, so be careful what you learn from it.

Turn off javascript in your browser, view the source, and search for "steal" (no quotes). You'll see how they did it. You'll also see how they did everything else. Being Frontpage, they're probably using some of the built-in parlor tricks that they include to make web design "easy".

Have fun.

John

EDIT: David, you are too quick! <Note to self: Must learn to type faster!!>

medikoo · January 16th, 2006, 8:26 AM

Yeah it's most probably made with javascript onclick event. It's quite old and easy to go around prevention method... just use firefox browser not ie.

**David** · January 16th, 2006, 8:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john

As you can see, it's Frontpage, so be careful what you learn from it.

That explains why my head hurts after looking at the source lol

Bugs · January 16th, 2006, 1:20 PM

Gentlemen, thank you all for some helpful insights!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by john

Being Frontpage, they're probably using some of the built-in parlor tricks that they include to make web design "easy".

Perhaps I, as a budding 'webdesigner', should be doing same?? (& not really learning anything!) Good thing client is patient!!!

Another question(I've asked here before & if nobody minds):
The 'blue bubble' that is used for 'quotes' - is that in fact an .img background???

If So Then Can I Have Pretty Please??? (

<-what's the meaning of this!!)
and any idea Why Editor Tags Don't Work?? (use quick reply?)

H · January 16th, 2006, 2:14 PM

I should recommend an urge against disabling right-clicking on a webpage. Simple reasons include:

Can be gotten around in at least 3-5 different ways, including "View -> Source" in the browser menu, viewing the browser cache, disabling JavaScript, disabling right-click detection of JavaScript and just saving the HTML file.
Doesn't help the web community. Part of the greatness of HTML and appearance is that it's all accessible. While many people want to avoid their stuff being stolen or ripped, a lot of people merely want to see how you did something. Disabling it may prevent or limit someone from learning from your code.
It's annoying. While I hardly ever right-click on a site, there's a number of reasons that I might, most of which has nothing to do with saving images or viewing the source-code. In Opera, I can do a large number of things with the right-click context menu.

Don't get me started on why page builders are evil...

**john** · January 16th, 2006, 2:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugs

Gentlemen, thank you all for some helpful insights!!

Perhaps I, as a budding 'webdesigner', should be doing same?? (& not really learning anything!) Good thing client is patient!!!

Umm... no.

Frontpage is the worst of the worst.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugs

Another question(I've asked here before & if nobody minds):
The 'blue bubble' that is used for 'quotes' - is that in fact an .img background???

The bubbles are made up of multiple .gif files.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugs

If So Then Can I Have Pretty Please??? (

<-what's the meaning of this!!)

Umm... a bunny in a jar?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugs

and any idea Why Editor Tags Don't Work?? (use quick reply?)

I noticed a while back that it stopped working. I just thought it was my browser, since I didn't hear anyone else complaining about it.

haggis · January 16th, 2006, 4:09 PM

Jeezo, imagine someone wanting to "steal" html/javascript done with Frontpage!

January 16th, 2006, 6:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
Bugs Registered User Fresh Surpasser Joined in Oct 2005 Hosted on SH86 22 posts Gave thanks: 1 Thanked 0 times	""Thou Shall Not Steal"" Being new to HTML / Css I am in the process of reading tutorials in an effort to create a web page for a friend of mine. In case anyone else is also interested in learning <a href="http://www.htmldog.com">HTMLdog</a> and <a href="http://www.w3schools.com">w3schools</a> is just fine . . . Question - as part of the learning process I sometimes right click "View Source" to see how another site is organized but my church site: ""http://w w w.holytrinityptc.org/" (see for self) does not allow 'rightclick' at all and a box pops instead saying: "Thou Shall Not Steal"!!! I notice also it loads from left to right - *does anybody know how* they do that??** p.s. my 'formatting' tools above my editor do not work at all (the way I'm used to anyway)??? __________________ SH86 (IP 72.29.83.114) <a href="www.deltaxchange.com"> The PirateXchange</a> Last edited by Bugs; January 16th, 2006 at 6:39 AM.

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David I'm Dope as Crack Resident. Joined in Mar 2004 Lives in Asheboro, NC Hosted on Pass 7 13,032 posts Gave thanks: 7 Thanked 29 times	They probably just turned off right click with a java script. You can still view the source, if you go to View and Source. And that midi music should be removed, or be able to be turned off. __________________

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medikoo Registered User Seasoned Poster Joined in Jun 2004 Lives in Warsaw, Poland Hosted on saprus 67 posts Gave thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yeah it's most probably made with javascript onclick event. It's quite old and easy to go around prevention method... just use firefox browser not ie. __________________ medikoo.comvps mariusznsaprus www.medikoo.com

January 16th, 2006, 2:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
H after g, before i Super #1 Joined in Jul 2004 Hosted on Gojira 7,870 posts Gave thanks: 44 Thanked 127 times	I should recommend an urge against disabling right-clicking on a webpage. Simple reasons include: Can be gotten around in at least 3-5 different ways, including "View -> Source" in the browser menu, viewing the browser cache, disabling JavaScript, disabling right-click detection of JavaScript and just saving the HTML file. Doesn't help the web community. Part of the greatness of HTML and appearance is that it's all accessible. While many people want to avoid their stuff being stolen or ripped, a lot of people merely want to see how you did something. Disabling it may prevent or limit someone from learning from your code. It's annoying. While I hardly ever right-click on a site, there's a number of reasons that I might, most of which has nothing to do with saving images or viewing the source-code. In Opera, I can do a large number of things with the right-click context menu. Don't get me started on why page builders are evil...

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haggis Registered User Seasoned Poster Joined in Dec 2004 Lives in Edinburgh, Scotland Hosted on pass21 87 posts Gave thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Jeezo, imagine someone wanting to "steal" html/javascript done with Frontpage! __________________ Server: Pass21

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