Server Standardizations / Updates

The Wicked Flea · January 8th, 2008, 10:30 AM

Lots of software use new features in new versions. Mod_Rewrite is one of these; syntax and features have greatly changed. Backwards compatibility is not just a pain, but irritating to have to support. We (web programmers) already support PHP4 backwards support, MySQL standard (not improved), and to bundle Apache with that makes one straw too many.

Logging into my server I see that:
Apache is version 1.3.39
PHP is 4.4.7/5.1.4
MySQL is 4.1.22

My own localhost using XAMPP has Apache 2.2.6.0, PHP 5.2.5.5, MySQL 5.0.51.

Can we not have our servers updated to be less obsolete? I'm on a shared system, and I really want PHP 5.2.5+. I mean really, really want it. And the server's version of Apache makes half of all software using mod_rewrite malfunction. It's a very ugly thing to fix and downgrade.

I hear Bluehost will be updating all servers within the next two months. I asked their live support that personally. The cPanel update was nice, but it doesn't help our software directly.

When does Surpass plan to update its servers? Apache and PHP5 minimum, I mean. (And I am well aware that it entails work.)

**Mike** · January 9th, 2008, 2:07 PM

Flea,

We do have shared server standardization plans and implementations already in place to mass update versions.

If you would like your account moved to a php5/mysql5 shared server we can do this for you today.

I believe Apache2 is still iffy with cPanel (I could be wrong), but we have that in the works as well.
Either way please PM me or submit a helpdesk to obtain this new version functionality because do have it available.

The Wicked Flea · January 10th, 2008, 4:17 PM

Thanks Mike, I'll open a ticket.

There just needs to be an easy way to access this information without a forum search.

Elite · January 28th, 2008, 3:06 PM

Apache2 support has improved tenfold with the introduction of cPanel 11.

**Geoff** · January 28th, 2008, 7:24 PM

i dunno, maybe its cause im familiar with Apache 1.x, or maybe that i used Apache2 on windows when was first being released (LOL)... but there is just something about Apache2 that i cant bring myself to trust lol. normally i love updates, new features, but i cant bring myself to do it with Apache. Im running 1.3.39.

Kerplunc · February 15th, 2008, 5:36 PM

I've run (and still do) Apache 2.2.x/PHP5/SuPHP etc on a cPanel server, very stable, works fine. Pass80 already has everything except Apache 2.2.x, which would be real nice since it's a massive speed improvement.

H · February 15th, 2008, 5:48 PM

Isn't the PHP7 beta out yet?

Kerplunc · February 16th, 2008, 5:40 AM

PHP6 isn't even out, so PHP7, no. Anyway, Surpass would/should never want to upgrade to a beta version of PHP or any server tool for that matter, because it brings too much risk with it.

Gamer.Saga · February 16th, 2008, 8:50 AM

The apache update would be nice, but we're good with what we all got atm. Having multiple php versions would be a good idea. Have the mime-type .php be the latest version of php and all the older versions of php will execute for file extensions like .php4 and .php3. It allows for easy backwards compatibility for people's scripts. PHP5 is almost completely backwards compatible with php4. It was pretty fancy when I first grabbed a copy. ^^

January 8th, 2008, 10:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
The Wicked Flea Registered User Seasoned Poster Joined in Jul 2006 Lives in USA Hosted on SH133 56 posts Gave thanks: 11 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Server Standardizations / Updates Lots of software use new features in new versions. Mod_Rewrite is one of these; syntax and features have greatly changed. Backwards compatibility is not just a pain, but irritating to have to support. We (web programmers) already support PHP4 backwards support, MySQL standard (not improved), and to bundle Apache with that makes one straw too many. Logging into my server I see that: Apache is version 1.3.39 PHP is 4.4.7/5.1.4 MySQL is 4.1.22 My own localhost using XAMPP has Apache 2.2.6.0, PHP 5.2.5.5, MySQL 5.0.51. Can we not have our servers updated to be less obsolete? I'm on a shared system, and I really want PHP 5.2.5+. I mean really, really want it. And the server's version of Apache makes half of all software using mod_rewrite malfunction. It's a very ugly thing to fix and downgrade. I hear Bluehost will be updating all servers within the next two months. I asked their live support that personally. The cPanel update was nice, but it doesn't help our software directly. When does Surpass plan to update its servers? Apache and PHP5 minimum, I mean. (And I am well aware that it entails work.) __________________ SH133:

January 9th, 2008, 2:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mike Surpass Staff Excelling Contributor Joined in Jun 2005 Lives in surpass headquarters 970 posts Gave thanks: 55 Thanked 109 times	Flea, We do have shared server standardization plans and implementations already in place to mass update versions. If you would like your account moved to a php5/mysql5 shared server we can do this for you today. I believe Apache2 is still iffy with cPanel (I could be wrong), but we have that in the works as well. Either way please PM me or submit a helpdesk to obtain this new version functionality because do have it available. __________________ Mike Surpass Special Operations

January 10th, 2008, 4:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
The Wicked Flea Registered User Seasoned Poster Joined in Jul 2006 Lives in USA Hosted on SH133 56 posts Gave thanks: 11 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks Mike, I'll open a ticket. There just needs to be an easy way to access this information without a forum search. __________________ SH133:

January 28th, 2008, 7:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Geoff Yabadabadoo Super #1 Joined in Nov 2004 Lives in B.C., Canada Hosted on Dedicated 1,013 posts Gave thanks: 7 Thanked 28 times	i dunno, maybe its cause im familiar with Apache 1.x, or maybe that i used Apache2 on windows when was first being released (LOL)... but there is just something about Apache2 that i cant bring myself to trust lol. normally i love updates, new features, but i cant bring myself to do it with Apache. Im running 1.3.39. __________________ Geoff Ellis - Surpass Dedicated Server Customer www.adepttechs.net

February 16th, 2008, 8:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
Gamer.Saga php, wha?! Comfy Contributor Joined in Feb 2008 163 posts Gave thanks: 4 Thanked 5 times	The apache update would be nice, but we're good with what we all got atm. Having multiple php versions would be a good idea. Have the mime-type .php be the latest version of php and all the older versions of php will execute for file extensions like .php4 and .php3. It allows for easy backwards compatibility for people's scripts. PHP5 is almost completely backwards compatible with php4. It was pretty fancy when I first grabbed a copy. ^^ __________________ HD.C \| MyTwitter I am addicted to LINUX.

January 28th, 2008, 3:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Elite Registered User Seasoned Poster Joined in Feb 2007 Lives in USA Hosted on SH116 33 posts Gave thanks: 1 Thanked 2 times	Apache2 support has improved tenfold with the introduction of cPanel 11.

February 15th, 2008, 5:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Kerplunc I'll roxxors your soxxors Fresh Surpasser Joined in Feb 2008 Lives in UK Hosted on Pass80 9 posts Gave thanks: 0 Thanked 0 times	I've run (and still do) Apache 2.2.x/PHP5/SuPHP etc on a cPanel server, very stable, works fine. Pass80 already has everything except Apache 2.2.x, which would be real nice since it's a massive speed improvement.

February 15th, 2008, 5:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
H after g, before i Resident. Joined in Jul 2004 Hosted on Gojira 8,027 posts Gave thanks: 48 Thanked 129 times	Isn't the PHP7 beta out yet?

February 16th, 2008, 5:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
Kerplunc I'll roxxors your soxxors Fresh Surpasser Joined in Feb 2008 Lives in UK Hosted on Pass80 9 posts Gave thanks: 0 Thanked 0 times	PHP6 isn't even out, so PHP7, no. Anyway, Surpass would/should never want to upgrade to a beta version of PHP or any server tool for that matter, because it brings too much risk with it.

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