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Gamer.Saga · February 16th, 2008, 8:32 AM

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1. Microsoft has a lot of free development tools. Every Visual Studio product now has an Express edition which is available completely at no cost. The SDK is free too. You can definitely start developing Silverlight apps at no cost. My only beef is it's extremely difficult to develop for Silverlight on Mac right now.

This statement wasn't true back in august.

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2. Silverlight is not necessarily a Flash competitor. I'd say it's more aimed at Flex. It's purpose is served at being a media, rich interface and application platform.

Maybe.... it's all opinionated unless microsoft releases a statement saying otherwise.

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3. Umm. Flash CS3 isn't the only AS3 creation tool. Hell, I'd say it's second to Flex Builder. I know people who code AS3 in VI and then use the Flex SDK to compile a SWF.

Flash CS3 can do a lot, yes. I still have beef with the entire thing over the licensing service. It wastes processes. I'm still waiting for an alternative tool to popup on the net, either that or for adobe to remove the licensing tool.

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'm not sure what the FNPLicensingServer is... Google didn't help and I can't seem to find it on my machine. Never had it trigger LittleSnitch or anything. Perhaps it's a Windows thing... but honestly, are you really needing the memory and CPU cycles it's using?

My bad, it's FNPLicensingService.exe. It's a 3rd party tool that adobe uses now to check the licenses. It's not really that it just wastes processes. It's an extreme measure that is unnecessary. Any pirate that wants to pirate a software will pirate a software. It often hangs in the background when I'm not using a CS3 product, and continually wastes processes. I've tried disabling the service and setting it to manual. It does no good. Disabling it prevents the use of flash CS3. Manual, Flash CS3 will open it and let it hang and I've had instances where it even re-enabled the crap.

^^ This is the most intriguing thread yet! Lulz

H · February 16th, 2008, 12:35 PM

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This statement wasn't true back in august.

Dan Fernandez's Blog : Microsoft Announces new Express Products!! -- Yep, there have been Express editions since 2004. And Silverlight itself didn't ship until September -- Even a chimp can write code: Nothing beats shipping: Silverlight 1.0 is here! : Ashish Shetty's weblog

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Maybe.... it's all opinionated unless microsoft releases a statement saying otherwise.

It's pretty clear (to me anyways) that it's not specifically targetting Flash. Flex is a Flash Application framework -- and to me Silverlight is at least hitting that.

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Flash CS3 can do a lot, yes. I still have beef with the entire thing over the licensing service. It wastes processes. I'm still waiting for an alternative tool to popup on the net, either that or for adobe to remove the licensing tool.

My bad, it's FNPLicensingService.exe. It's a 3rd party tool that adobe uses now to check the licenses. It's not really that it just wastes processes. It's an extreme measure that is unnecessary. Any pirate that wants to pirate a software will pirate a software. It often hangs in the background when I'm not using a CS3 product, and continually wastes processes. I've tried disabling the service and setting it to manual. It does no good. Disabling it prevents the use of flash CS3. Manual, Flash CS3 will open it and let it hang and I've had instances where it even re-enabled the crap.

Yeah, it looks like that licensing thing is a Windows-only problem. I haven't found anything like it on my Mac.

Gamer.Saga · February 17th, 2008, 3:53 PM

You can't do silverlight work on the 2005 versions?

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Originally Posted by silverlight.net download page

The add-on to create Silverlight applications using .NET and for creating Silverlight 1.0 Web sites with Visual Studio 2008. This add-on requires the Standard, Professional, or Team System editions of Visual Studio 2008. It will not work with the Express Editions of Visual Studio 2008.

That's not what really bothered me though. I can't find free tools for mapping out all the vector art.

H · February 17th, 2008, 4:10 PM

Interesting. Didn't actually try to develop for Silverlight (don't have a Windows computer) so I never saw that point. Bad move on Microsoft's part in my opinion.

**Kayla** · February 17th, 2008, 4:12 PM

Gamer.Saga and H = BFF

**twirp** · February 17th, 2008, 6:21 PM

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Gamer.Saga and H = BFF

I think they're going to get along just fine...

I didn't post in this thread earlier due to the "god" part... I figured it'd have something to set someone off.

Gamer.Saga · February 18th, 2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kayla

Gamer.Saga and H = BFF

.... err....

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Originally Posted by twirp

I think they're going to get along just fine...

I didn't post in this thread earlier due to the "god" part... I figured it'd have something to set someone off.

Twirp!!!! Lol, the only reason I found surpasshosting was because of your tyl.cc =3. Umm, I was just hyper the day I started this thread. It's been ages since I've talked to you on aim and stuff xD.

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Originally Posted by H

Interesting. Didn't actually try to develop for Silverlight (don't have a Windows computer) so I never saw that point. Bad move on Microsoft's part in my opinion.

It's very frustrating to get into it. I spent 2 days looking into it back in August just to get so frustrated that I posted against the idea of using silverlight publically in a couple of forums.

H · February 18th, 2008, 11:58 AM

Can understand the frustration. Though at that time it was still beta, so I guess Microsoft can kind of use that as an excuse... but at the same time, the beta is a perfect chance to get some early develop and feedback from people that will actually use the stuff. Give free beta development tools and grow your developer community.

Makes me curious as to Apple's SDK for the iPhone/iPod Touch. Hopefully they let it be pretty open like podcasts instead of closed like the iPod games.

**Kayla** · February 22nd, 2008, 12:17 AM

Where did our friend/god go?

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February 17th, 2008, 4:10 PM	#31 (permalink)
H after g, before i Resident. Joined in Jul 2004 Lives in N,BC,CA 8,055 posts Gave thanks: 48 Thanked 129 times	Interesting. Didn't actually try to develop for Silverlight (don't have a Windows computer) so I never saw that point. Bad move on Microsoft's part in my opinion.

February 17th, 2008, 4:12 PM	#32 (permalink)
Kayla Searcher Surpass Staff Joined in May 2003 Lives in Orlando 24,692 posts Gave thanks: 943 Thanked 806 times	Gamer.Saga and H = BFF

February 18th, 2008, 11:58 AM	#35 (permalink)
H after g, before i Resident. Joined in Jul 2004 Lives in N,BC,CA 8,055 posts Gave thanks: 48 Thanked 129 times	Can understand the frustration. Though at that time it was still beta, so I guess Microsoft can kind of use that as an excuse... but at the same time, the beta is a perfect chance to get some early develop and feedback from people that will actually use the stuff. Give free beta development tools and grow your developer community. Makes me curious as to Apple's SDK for the iPhone/iPod Touch. Hopefully they let it be pretty open like podcasts instead of closed like the iPod games.

February 22nd, 2008, 12:17 AM	#36 (permalink)
Kayla Searcher Surpass Staff Joined in May 2003 Lives in Orlando 24,692 posts Gave thanks: 943 Thanked 806 times	Where did our friend/god go?

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